So, the law on self-employed came into force in 2019.I would like to once again discuss the case of work on upwork in the self-employed mode without opening the PI.

Alleged algorithm of actions is:

- Registration in the application"My tax".

- Opening(or using an existing) currency account in a bank to receive payments from Upwork.

- Once a month the payment is credited to the bank account.We take the exchange rate on the date of receipt of the payment, calculate the amount in rubles and form a check in the application"My tax".

- If the bank requires an agreement for currency control, then we provide a public offer of apvorka.

As far as I understand, the recipient of the generated check is optimally specified by Upwork itself.But you should also indicate the email in the check.It is clear that it is not very convenient to indicate the email of the apvork in order not to send them spam they don’t need.:)

Has anyone practically tried to work according to this scheme? Whose name was eventually checked?
Are there any pitfalls when working in the status of self-employed?
  • And in the self-employed have already added IT freelancers? Programmers, designers etc – Legendary Techno Feb 27 '19 at 18:17
  • Legendary Techno, well, here on the FTS website, someone asked a similar question.



    That is, as I understand it, there are no restrictions on remote work.But is it possible to work with foreign customers?
    – Stupid22 Feb 27 '19 at 18:23

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The last time I read laws about employment, there were restrictions on the area of ​​work and it was impossible to work abroad, has it already changed?
Has anyone practically tried to work according to this scheme? In the name of someone in the end put a check?


Another two months have not passed.Do not look for who applied what.The taxpayer is you, and the links to Vasya, who did this, have no meaning.You can electronically, on the site

I did not read the law in detail.But I came across the following article in Habré where this issue is discussed: https://habr.com/en/en/post/431588/

And in comments, people came to the conclusion that there are no restrictions on foreign customers:


Why do you say"people" about me? :)))
This is my opinion.No conclusions can simply be made.I wrote this article a month before the law came into force.Specifically, to at least highlight the main points.Now the practice has not yet been formulated;moments.
  • A bit of an offtop add-on from me:
     At one time, I was interested in one question that the tax service could answer(then they did not give state services).I called by phone to find out where to go to get information about my tax deductions.I found out the place and room.I came and started the fun with running from one room in the second, from the third and further to the tax chief.All of a sudden they turned out to be not only aware of the answer to the question, but even the one who can say "who can give me a person a personal information about my tax deductions for the last three months".For pr about 1.5 hours of walking from the office to the office, I was kicked off at the very first one and they were given to write a request in free form and wait for a response for 2 weeks.Then, when I arrived 2 weeks later, it turned out that since the tax period was not reported completed(and he still seems to go for a couple of months), then I cannot get the information.That is, you could immediately say it...Or in that office when you wrote the application or by phone for the first time.

    I remembered all this, that they themselves may not know what is happening in the next room or higher office.There are high hopes that they will succeed in getting a complete answer in their own city, in their own department - not many chances.=)
    The hitch they had happened was that the question was NOT typical.I was told that:
     - You are not an individual entrepreneur, no legal entity, and we cannot give information about your tax deductions on this.
    To the question, “But am I paying taxes? Through the employer, those same 13%, and so on, are I crying?”, Received the answer:
     - Yes, pay.
    And to the sentence: “Well, give me a report on these MY tax payments that I have listed to you for the last few months.” And again the staff were hanging.=)
    – Legendary Techno Feb 27 '19 at 20:27
  • [[syschel]] can.
    Therefore, I do not say"go and ask." You need to make a written request.
    They will answer surely.And here they will answer....

    By the way, it is necessary to clearly formulate.Because they may simply not understand or unsubscribe.In addition, according to the regulations, they do not consider business situations.Therefore, it is not necessary to ask what taxes you have to pay on this contract - they will answer that they do not consider.
    – Super79 Feb 27 '19 at 20:34
  • Will answer necessarily.And here is what they answer....

    [[EkaterinaBel]], here it is.Answer the answer, but what exactly? Especially on a completely new topic for themselves, which is in the experimental stage in certain regions.
    – Legendary Techno Feb 27 '19 at 20:39
  • EkaterinaBel, I said “people,” since you were not alone there.:)

    I understand that maybe my vision is too bright.Therefore, I created a topic to discuss this.
    Thank you very much for the explanations.)
    In general, it is clear that for the time being everything has been written with forks on the water, and apparently it cannot be done without creating an IP.

    But if in the future it will be possible to work for Upwork as self-employed, then it would be convenient)
    Let's see how the situation will develop.
    – Stupid22 Feb 27 '19 at 21:03
  • [[elpensador]],
    Let's say this.In law, this moment is not settled.But anyway, some explanations will appear.As it appeared about PSN for IT.Therefore, if it is relevant and not very urgent for you, you can send a request.

    You can register an IP, and then go to the NPA.Everything depends on the amount and number of operations.

    Currency control is a separate topic.I would advise you to discuss it with the bank first.Because not everyone has the practice of working with IT.The typical situation is trading, CCD.And some printouts from the site called"offer" can be very confuse.

    By the way, I didn’t ask.I hope you live/are registered in one of the four regions? Because for other cities the discussion is now irrelevant
    – Super79 Feb 27 '19 at 21:26
  • [[syschel]],
    The hitch they had was that the question was NOT a typical one.I was told that:
    - You are not an individual entrepreneur, no legal entity, and we cannot give information about your tax deductions on this.
    To the question, “But am I paying taxes? Through the employer, those same 13%, and so on, are I crying?”, Received the answer:
    - Yes, pay.
    And to the sentence: “Well, give me a report on these MY tax payments that I have listed to you over the past few months.” And again the staff were hanging.=)


    It’s very strange that they didn’t immediately answer.You turned to another department, apparently.The data on the withholding personal income tax does not appear after a few months, but after filing reports by a tax agent.You yourself can see in your account after April 1.
    – Super79 Feb 27 '19 at 21:28
  • is very strange that they didn’t immediately answer.You turned to another department, apparently.The information about the withholding personal income tax does not appear after a few months, but after filing reports by a tax agent.You yourself can see in your account after April 1.

    [[EkaterinaBel]], then there were no personal offices, either on the tax website or on public services.After a couple of years on public services appeared, but it was no longer interesting.Just described the situation of communication with the tax, on the"not typical" for them to the question.Even the head of the tax in our area, could not give an answer" who in their tax can give me a list of my tax deductions for the past few months".
    – Legendary Techno Feb 27 '19 at 21:33
  • check my muddy employer, to the question"does everything happen officially?"

    If you want to check again, ask for help on form 2-NDFL
    – Super79 Feb 27 '19 at 21:36
  • Slightly changed the superior comment
    If you want to check again, ask for help on form 2-NDFL

    [[EkaterinaBel]], It was about 12 years old.I did not ask for any personal income tax or anything"scientific".I am a simple man in the street, I wanted to know"if my employer pays tax deductions for me." according to the white scheme, I work or all of these contracts and pieces of paper when issuing the RFP are just fiction.So I decided to go to the tax office and ask for a list of my tax deductions as an ordinary citizen, not a legal person or a physical.I am a simple person and I need to find out how much and for what months payments to the tax authority have been.

    I do not have to know the whole kitchen(terminology) tax to get this"simple" information?
    And he described an example precisely in the direction that tax officers, including some superiors, may not know some things.
    I also rarely saw the comments of people on the tax and apvorku.In some places, the tax was enough for what gives apvork.In other departments, the"human factor" stood in a pose and did not accept these"pieces of paper".
    – Legendary Techno Feb 27 '19 at 21:41
  • I don’t have to know the whole tax kitchen(terminology) to get this"simple" information?

    Of course they shouldn't.
     I don’t know what it was about, it’s a very simple question.I’m talking just in case the conversation stopped, what to do in such cases.
    – Super79 Feb 27 '19 at 21:48